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Gay Education

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25 Responses to “Gay Education”

  1. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    With that logic, as satanism is a reverse-sect of the Christian religion, it seems rather a poor point of comparison re: other religious structures. The structure of Satanism ebbs from a desire to defile. The same cannot be said from Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and paganism.

    Same-gender marriage, as well, when performed under another religion or through the state is not so to be sacrilegious, as it invokes other ceremonies with an independent basis from uniquely Christian practices.

  2. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    I honestly think we should remove the term “Civil union”, and then change “Marriage” to “Civil Union” so as to make everyone equal without offending the sacred ceremony that the church performs seeing as how they were doing this long before anyone else.

    Thanks!

  3. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    I agree, but also disagree.

    I think it should have been removed from the start. I have been wanting it gone since I went to high school and learned of the separation of church and state.

    From what I see of Sacrilegious things, Satanic ceremonies are structured after Christian ceremonies with the intent to defile the original ceremonies. I see same sex Marriage as sacrilegious because it is structured after the Christian ceremony, just altered a little bit…..

  4. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Heh. Perhaps in my straightforward tone, what was intended as simple discourse seemed like an attack.

    I didn’t read the history of your comment chain, but still hold to my opinion that a cat/dog analogy is not applicable.

    “You can’t be something you are not” is assumptive, since I am perfectly capable of self-identifying as homosexual. I am gay. I have romantic and sexual attractions to the same-gender that I choose to foster. By that alone, a dog can be a cat if said cat is a dog :-)

  5. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Now there, CJ, I will agree with you. Marriage should have never been a civil structure.

    If only ancestors had the foresight to see it that, and all the complications it brought attaching an historically religious word with a potentially limiting and complex civil structure.

    I am not debunking sacramental marriage at all. Like you, I am making a clear and distinct separation of sacramental and civil. Still, the word is so entwined in the civil that it must be opened, rather than removed.

  6. bLuEnOsEbLeEd Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    fuck gays yo we be reprisenton the straight guys yo? see i be sayin. sorry my hands be greasy from this fried chicken her. shit yo i cant imagine no dick goin up mah sphinctah. yo keep real much love yo.

  7. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    A lot of what you say here is fallacy, so don’t personally attack me. I am simply explaining why this video is more than just “Gay Education”, it’s talking trash about churches.

    FYI you have taken my statement out of context with the dog/cat thing. It was a very pliable analogy and I don’ think you understood how I was using it – I was saying that you can’t be something you are not just because you want to.

  8. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    If you look up above, this whole conversation started with my first comment, so I am not violating terms of the conversation as I started it (at least, this instance of it).

    Yes, it is subjective and opinionated, that’s what I am trying to explain.

    We are founded on Judeo Christian Traditions as a nation.

    Marriage was a religious ceremony before this society decided to try and change it to fit their lives.

    Marriage should have never been a legally binding thing to begin with.

  9. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Thank you for that, link. By definition, any behavioral action by any human is natural, irregardless of what others may say. Simply barring procreation does not make an act unnatural. To claim otherwise would be to speculate the the sole individual purpose of sexuality is to procreate, which is not an individual goal, but a societal goal. Evidently, we are still reproducing irregardless of 2-3% instances of homosexuality.

    God, by definition, is unnatural. That’s literary truth.

  10. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Also, same-gender marriage, while never being a part of this topic or this video, is possible. Many nations, along with MA, CT, NH, Iowa, and perhaps CA, NY, ME, and DC in the near future, make same-gender marriage possible. It has nothing to do with a dog feeling like a cat at all. That would be like saying “it’s like gay men feeling like straight kangaroos”. Your opinion of “wrong” is subjective to religious morality, a non-universal morality in the eyes of the state.

  11. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    cjohn, by bringing the bible into this, you violate the confines of this argument. As we have no state religion and all religions are recognized as having equal value and worth under the state, your argument is rendered subjective. Just as your religion tells you homosexuality is wrong, others do no such thing.

    Also, you introduced the discussion of gay marriage and saying “they can’t be”. This is both false and inaccurate given the difference between sacramental and civil marriage.

  12. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Kefka, if that is to me, I will say this:

    Yes, I am gay. I am also a man, and also masculine. I have strength, confidence, endurance, and courage. My father is proud of me and who I have become. There is nothing unappealing about women, but recognize that I am not sexually or romantically attracted to women, but to men instead.

    Also, I am adopted. While my biological mother and father were capable of having sex together, I do not know how they self-identified.

  13. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    I do not agree. It happens equally as much on each side. Here is the thing, Men and Women having a relationship and having sex is Biblically ok so long as you are married and never under any other circumstances.

    Two men or two woman can not be married because that’s is not what a marriage is….ie It’s like a dog that “feels like a cat inside” so it wants to be called a cat even though it is obviously not a cat.

    Long story short – sex between unmarried people is just as wrong as homosexuality.

  14. linktothepresent Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    They failed to point out the argument over whether something is or isn’t natural is in fact a logical fallacy.

  15. kefka46tx Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    you’re gay
    It’s funny how anti gay videos only target Christians. And they just flat out said gay men are pansy, weak, feminine men. (2:30) Are you proud of that? Is your father proud of you? What do you not find appealing of the oppisite sex. You know your parents were straight?

  16. rjs0416 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    The steady focus on the sex act re: homosexuality isn’t necessarily the fault of the modern-identified homosexual. Rather, it is a double-standard enforced by the religious-conservative base, where if a man and a woman are together it is a relationship; however if a man or a man are together it is not.

    The focus on sex is not coming from us (homosexuals do not emphasize sex in culture any more than straight counterparts). Instead, it is a focus used by anti-gay persons to invalidate us.

  17. georgieman14 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    I love this video

  18. bauditlad Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Agreed, it does put Christians under the same form of umbrella that some Christians place homosexuals, ignorant and belligerent. I am aware of many churches (Christian churches) that except homosexuals; isn’t Christianity about having an understanding and sympathetic relationship with God? (if you believe in that sort of thing) I don’t think God cares who you screw, just so long as it’s right for you.

  19. cjohnweb Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    This is simply making excuses….and then it goes even further to compare humans to animals. I thought we as humans had more pride than that. Besides, “Being Gay” wouldn’t be such an issue for some people out there if it wasn’t such a ’sexual’ thing.

    This video is not just “Gay Education”, it bashes churchs, makes too many assumptions, and uses unrelated statistics to prove some of it’s points…

    It’s not about “being gay or straight” anyways, it’s how you act that is important….

  20. MrMpetter Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    I am Bissexual =D

  21. jason68278 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    gaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

  22. Y2Krashman Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Oh, forgot to mention, no, the gay penguins in almost every damn zoo, save for only one (one!) case, did not mate with the females.

    I showed you an example where same sex attempts at copulation occurred at a zoo, now you show me one where it did not.

    At the zoo of Jesus and Goliath in Westboro Church maybe?

  23. Y2Krashman Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    So “flat mates” frequently have sex then?

    Three pairs of male penguins had been seen attempting to mate with each other and trying to hatch offspring from stones at Bremerhaven Zoo, Germany.

    Google it and get a clue homeboy.

    Christians and their lies. Anything to deny the real world because reality is antithetical to fairytales.

  24. geckoguy911 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    they had to name him christian really?

  25. jonjon1333 Says:
    October 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    and then one on stupidity?

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