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John Taylor Gatto: Schooling is not Education – Part 1
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In this 1991 interview, former propagandize clergyman John Taylor Gatto talks about a disproportion in between “schooling” by open schools as well as loyal education. What unequivocally matters? Does “Schooling” as we know it currently emanate total tellurian beings? we goal which we find this talk as moving as well as ominous as we did. For some-more report visit: www.johntaylorgatto.com
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December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Thats irrelevant
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha I think that in Essence you and me agree with what Gatto is bringing across to us. People just think that the System is to big to Change… I strongly believe that we as Americans need to return back to a Community based People. Having Strong Community’s that have your Family and a Large Extended Family will breed More Bright and Healthy children that grow up into Maturity.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha We need to move the State out of the way and put Social Programs back into the hands of the Public (The People)… These Educational Programs that are Successful that U mention are Programs that the People have Control over and they have a very Strong Influence over. I am totally for Education, We would be worthless without it !!!! But we need to move toward an enlightening Educational System, one that is Controlled by the People not Business or Gov…
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha The (First) reform we should have is to let and Force Parents to be Responsible for their Child’s Maturity and Education. What you have said is Basically What Gatto is Describing. Yes Busness has alot to do with our Poor Educational System and he admits this. It is also a system bent on Conformity. there is a Difference from Teaching Someone how to read from What to read.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
But of course, recognizing the shortcomings in our education system means actively doing something to help fix it, and as reformers have experienced for well over 100 years now, business always trumps reform.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Your real beef is not with schools at all, but the non-education based policy makers and free marketeers who hold the real power over how the system works. Like anything in our society, there are examples of schools the work, educators who “get it,” and there examples of bureaucrat who toe the line. Indicting the entire educational establishment is like blaming the dog’s tail for getting wagged.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Thants a pretty thin argument Ckordobah. I think the real target of your enmity, and perhaps Gatto’s as well, is the business establishment that continues to try and direct educational reform to fit its narrow goals. This was true in the late 1800s when reformers sought ways to make schools turn immigrants into qualified laborers the second industrial age. Business drove educational reform in the 50’s and 60’s. Today business is behind Obama’s “Race to the Top” accountability agenda.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha the same Principle and to have Honor and Dignity.. Today we are pure Materilists
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha Forced Indoctrination Does not Compensate for Forced child Labor… I was forced as a Child to Go get work and help my family.. Are you going to say this Is Horrible….. The System is Preventing Humans from Maturing into Men and Woman and this is his argument.. Into Perpetual Childlike States for the rest of their lives. My Grandfather never owed someone a Dime his whole life and he was completely independent and my Family Rebelled against him. For he tried to Get them to Follow..
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@harrissasha What you just Described is exactly what our Nation lives off of every day of our Lives. Slavery and Child labor to sustain our Life style and our Pure Materialistic Addictions. You are making a complete counter distinction. He is against the Current Educational System and the what it produces. Putting Children through an educational System that is Designed to Dumb them down and to Co Op them into a System that is bent on Exploitation is no Different than Forced Child Labor.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Gatto references the founders of our educational system but doesn’t seem to know what it was like for children who didn’t attend school or, who’s parents wouldn’t let them attend school? During this time in American history there was a labor crisis. More and more industrialists used child labor to drive down production costs. Wages spiraled downward as adults lost their jobs to children. Working conditions in factories were horrific. School wasn’t even a choice for a great many children.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Well the Government like to keep people stupid, Stupid people are easy to control the Catholics and Romans did this for many years. It’s all Rascaldom..
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Alice Miller writes “Resistance (to abuse) is not a matter of intelligence; it is a matter of direct access to the true self”
Education is by design an attempt to alienate those who comply from their true selves.
Obedience is thus dishonest. Disobedience is honesty.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
No. Posting with bad grammar is just more proof that the school system failed with that poster that you are criticizing.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Please do. It’s your life.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
are you being sarcastic?
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
If you are going to post something criticizing formal education as it exists today, PLEASE take the time to use proper grammar and punctuation.
Posting a single run-on sentence that suffers from a complete lack of punctuation, as well as terrible spelling in some places, only serves to undermine whatever the argument is that you are trying to make.
This is especially true when you are criticizing our educational system.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
i have to go to prision/school in september1st fuck no education is ment to be fun and adventurous but school classrooms take that away the only way to learn education is you have to learn it for yourself school dosent let you do that witch i horrible i youst to think quiting school was a bad thing but now i see its the other way around.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Precisely. The system makes it easy for people like me to just continue to do nothing when I see group exercises and group thought being the central ideas of a class. We need kids to learn to work as a team, that’s not bad at all. But the individual aspect of education, especially for the exceptionally bright students, should be touched upon in all classes. School should prepare you for living after school, too, rather than simply making sure you have the skills to fit into the workforce
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I had that “giant water tank heat store” idea myself when I was a kid…I was told at the time it was a stupid idea. (Surprise, surprise!) For those with pools, you could use the pool during winter as a heat store as well, although a highly insulated cover would be needed, you’d just keep running your solar heating all year long. d=^)
There’s also electrically splitting water itself, and using the gases (H & O2) to run generators, which could be great at the beach! q=o)
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Yeah, the biggest problem with it is that it needs new technologies, and that would come at a steep price before it was widespread enough to be of benefit.
It’s not at all a bad idea, I just get the feeling that we’re going to have more immediate needs, and just growing hemp is the quickest and lowest-tech solution, as well as being among the best options we’ve got available to us, for the widest possible range of problems we’re facing.
That and people don’t like stuff on their roofs. ;o)
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
If algae was small particles, it would be simple to dry and compress to be used in that form, or stored to be converted to methane. Methane could be stored in depleted gas wells, and it transports well by pipe line. CH4 is good because it could be used to capture and use all the energy at a residence level. It would take a small CH4 powered generator that would capture the heat energy in an H2O heat reservoir to be used later. We now discard the usable heat energy. It would be like printing $.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
i wish i were a “super” expert at bio mass production. It seems like it might take more of a concerted effort than high tech to get it done. Algae is said to be the biomass champ by far, plus it could likely be harvested on a multi day basis from a small growing area. Seems like you could grow it on your roof and it could be done robotically. There would likely be a way to keep it from smelling bad. What if you could grow all the energy you need per year in 1000 square feet?
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
That’s why I said “first sequester…methane hydrates.” The immediate explosion threat would be removed FIRST, and then we could worry about using it as a future fuel source.
100% correct: Decentralization of power generation of all forms NEEDS to be done to secure our energy future, but big energy money doesn’t want to see this happen.
The “more costly” part comes, as hemp can be grown anywhere on the planet TODAY, with next to no new investment required. Algae farms would need BIG $.
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
It might be possible to extract methane hydrate, but it would still add CO2. Plus there is the fact that people could create and recycle fuel “where they live”, and it would be an effective harvesting of the Sun’s power. It would begin to decentralize energy production as well as promote parallel agricultural interest while creating new invention. A possible difficulty might be that it would make deserts desirable places to live. Costly? in terms of what? Money’s just collapsing.